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		<title>Something on worship</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p> Abe passed me a long article on worship leading by Ruth Dickinson at Christianity magazine on worship.&#160; Mostly it is about the American cult of worship leaders – something we a not immune to here but, in my view, to a much lesser extent.&#160; However, by way of an antidote Dickinson suggests four things, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.behindthewillowtrees.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/image2.png"><img style="border-right-width: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0px 5px; display: inline; border-top-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px" title="image" border="0" alt="image" align="right" src="http://www.behindthewillowtrees.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/image_thumb2.png" width="76" height="244" /></a> Abe passed me a long article on worship leading by Ruth Dickinson at Christianity magazine on worship.&#160; Mostly it is about the American cult of worship leaders – something we a not immune to here but, in my view, to a much lesser extent.&#160; However, by way of an antidote Dickinson suggests four things, correct the motivation for leading worship, correct the criteria by which we evaluate worship (which she calls participation), extending the range of worship options to include other arts and silence, and seeing worship as a 24/7 engagement with God.</p>
<p>Overall I found the comments on <strong>Participation</strong> most helpful, probably because she quotes Leonard Sweet and worship leader Andy Flannagan: </p>
<blockquote><p>Take inspiration from writer Leonard Sweet, who says, <strong>“There is a new standard of excellence: the quality of the participation, not the quality of the performance.” </strong></p>
<p>Consider whether singing along with someone from the front is the best way for your congregation to participate in worship. </p>
<p>“Worship that is sung is very prescriptive,” says Flannagan. “It leaves very little room for interaction, participation and individual creativity. I often ask people, ‘How do you know where your people are at if all you ever do is tell them what to sing?’ That’s what we do with our words on screens. It’s like karaoke. God desires our expressions of worship to be honest, heartfelt and of-the-moment, rather than us only relying on someone else’s words and experience, even though that is also an essential discipline. Obviously there needs to be a balance between an established canon of material that carries theology/tradition and spontaneous creativity, but I fear that at the moment, the pendulum has swung much too far in one direction.” </p>
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		<title>We know the end!</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Someone mentioned Revelation 5.9 to me recently:</p> <p>And they sang a new song: &#160;&#160; &#8220;You are worthy to take the scroll &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; and to open its seals, &#160;&#160; because you were slain, &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; and with your blood you purchased men for God &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; from every tribe and language and people and nation. &#160;&#160; You have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone mentioned Revelation 5.9 to me recently:</p>
<p><em>And they sang a new song: <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; &#8220;You are worthy to take the scroll <br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and to open its seals, <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; because you were slain, <br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and with your blood you purchased men for God <br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; from every tribe and language and people and nation. <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, <br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and they will reign on the earth.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em></em>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Which reminded me of the film <em>Educating Rita.</em> For those too young to know the film, Rita (played by Julie Walters) is a hairdresser by day and an Open University student by night, seeking to create a better future for herself. </p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Talking to the English tutor Dr. Frank Bryant (played by Michael Caine), she explains why she wants to study, describing a family night out at the pub: &#8220;I did join in the singing but when I turned around, me mother had stopped singing and she was crying. I said, &#8216;Why are you crying mother?&#8217; and she said, &#8216;There must be better songs to sing than these.&#8217; And I thought, &#8216;Yeah, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m trying to do—sing a better song.&#8217;”</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I’m not sure there will be a better song than Rev 5.9.&nbsp; And now when things&nbsp; get tough, I’m glad I’ve read the book and know who it all ends.&nbsp; The Lamb wins!</p>
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		<title>Prayer Ministry</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>These are some notes from a seminar I led recently on prayer ministry. <p>&#160; <p>God&#8217;s view of &#8220;dis-ease&#8221; <p>We are placed between two conditions of man. <p>There was no dis-ease in the Garden.&#160; Although the verdict is open as to whether there was an ecosystem in the same way as we know it, for example [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>These are some notes from a seminar I led recently on prayer ministry.</em>
<p><b></b>&nbsp;
<p><b>God&#8217;s view of &#8220;dis-ease&#8221;</b>
<p>We are placed between two conditions of man.
<p>There was no dis-ease in the Garden.&nbsp; Although the verdict is open as to whether there was an ecosystem in the same way as we know it, for example the food chain.
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Nor with there be pain and sufering in heaven (Revelation 21:4). </p>
<p>&nbsp;
<p>But the Fall brought pain (Genesis 3:16-19) and death (Genesis 3:22).
<p>&nbsp;
<p><b>Healing in Old Testament</b>
<p>God&#8217;s nature is to bring shalom for his people(Exodus 15:26; 23:25, Jeremiah 17:14).&nbsp; And there are numerous examples of healing (2 Chronicles 30:20; 2 Kings 5:14; 20:5) as the Spirit moved.
<p>&nbsp;
<p>Isaiah (53:4-6) prophesies see that Jesus will deal with our sicknesses: &#8216;by his wounds we are healed&#8217;.
<p><b></b>&nbsp;
<p><b>Healing in New Testament</b>
<p>The atonement foretold in Isaiah 53 is now realised.&nbsp;
<p>&nbsp;
<p>Jesus’ three-fold ministry was to preach, teach, heal (Matthew 4:23, Matthew 8:16-17; 1 Peter 2:24).
<p>&nbsp;
<p>And that now applies to us (Matthew 28:20 &#8216;all I have commanded you&#8217;). <i>Sozo</i> appears 100 times in the New Testament = salvation = made whole. <i>Sozo </i>translated as &#8216;heal&#8217; 18 times, e.g.&#8217; Your faith has healed you&#8217; (Matthew 9:22). Salvation includes eternal life, forgiveness, deliverance from evil, healing.
<p>&nbsp;
<p>Prayer ministry is integral part of:
<ul>
<li><b>Kingdom coming</b> (Matthew 10:7) Jesus and his disciples healed all diseases and cast out demons.
<li><b>Gospel</b> is attested by healing, both for Jesus and in the early church.
<li><b>Preaching</b> the cross releases power (Matthew 4:23; 10:1; Acts 5:16)
<li><b>Being church</b>. The disciples were commissioned and commanded to heal (1 Corinthians 1:17-18; 2:1-5; Matthew 10:8; Luke 10:1)</li>
</ul>
<p><b>Healing in church history</b><b></b>
<p>There has always been healing in the churches.&nbsp; The church carries on Jesus&#8217; mission, including healing. No cessation after New Testament times. <a href="http://www.behindthewillowtrees.org.uk/2009/04/spiritual-gifts-and-graces-what-is.html">See my separate blog</a>.
<p><b></b>&nbsp;
<p><b>Pivotal role of faith</b>
<p>Healings in the Bible are accompanied by faith of the person with the problem, or a friend/ parent, or the one praying &#8211; or all of these.
<p>&nbsp;
<p>Key word &#8211; <b>expectancy</b>. We need to settle in our heart that God wants us to change, and respond in faith in God.
<p>&nbsp;
<p>Faith needs to rest in the power and the will of God, not the wisdom of man. Simple faith in Jesus as healer is necessary, and then we can seek the healing.&nbsp; We cannot measure faith. It is the object of our faith that is important. We have faith in Jesus, not our faith.
<p><b></b>&nbsp;
<p><b>Role of medicine</b>
<p>God given.&nbsp; Work with it, not against it. Too much reliance.
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>How should we pray</b>
<ol>
<li>Technique is not that important.
<li>Pray for right approach&nbsp; in each set of circumstances. Will vary in different situations.
<li>Praying in twos is best, but frequently have to be on one&#8217;s own. More than three is not helpful.
<li>Always best to have one person of the same sex as the person being prayed for.
<li>There is a place for formal prayer (e.g. healing service, communion) and informal (e.g. after service, in homes, at work?).
<li>Laying on of hands is not essential, but touch is helpful (in the right circumstances).
<li>Anointing with oil is not essential &#8211; it is symbolic. Perhaps should be restricted to &#8216;the elders&#8217;. There is a special role for elders (see James 5:14) but this does not preclude others praying.
<li>Prayer at communion can be powerfully used.
<li>We should not necessarily expect manifestations. They are not essential, but sometimes happen.
<li>Choose location for prayer according to needs expressed. Ask God to give words of knowledge, but he doesn&#8217;t always. Check how the person is feeling whilst praying; don&#8217;t be in a hurry.
<li>Pray with eyes open may be best, unless people find it difficult.
<li>Claim healing in faith. &#8216;Jesus heals you&#8217;. May need to rebuke illness/Satan.
<li>What about evil spirits? Is it an evil spirit? Ask for discernment in the name of Jesus. Jesus is all-powerful. May need specialist help. Not too common yet in UK? May become more common with the influx of different nations and people open to other religions.</li>
</ol>
<p><b>Prayer ministry at GBC</b></p>
<p>John Wimber commented &#8216;When we didn&#8217;t pray no-one got healed, when we prayed some did&#8217;.&nbsp; So let’s do it.</p>
<ol>
<li>Someone should take overall responsibility.
<li>Ideally pray in mixed couples, and vary who prays with whom. Pray for each other. Always pray together before ministering.
<li>People involved must be generally acceptable to the congregation (though some will prefer to go to certain people).
<li>Need to have a strategy re manipulative people (they deserve prayer too). Err on side of love.
<li>Don&#8217;t expect glory. That&#8217;s God&#8217;s. It can be hard, draining work, without necessarily knowing results. Majority probably don&#8217;t report outcome.
<li>Can take time to build up the confidence of the church.
<li>Don&#8217;t elevate ministry. Anyone can pray with anyone when necessary &#8211; but some are called to minister.
<li>Vary what we do e.g. formal/ informal; elders/ others. We need to seek to have prayer seen as a normal everyday occurrence
<li>Expect God to act in little things too. Cell members should pray for one another. LT too. Expect response.
<li>Allow people to come on behalf of others.
<li>Persevere &#8211; we never give up praying for people&#8217;s salvation from sin, therefore never give up praying for their healing.
<li>If regularly involved in prayer ministry expect to be shocked.</li>
</ol>
<p><b>Who can pray and what for</b>
<p>All disciples. Some are used more than others and some are more experienced.
<p>&nbsp;
<p>Are there times when we should not pray for healing? Yes, if God reveals it is time for death (&#8216;the ultimate healing&#8217;), but always pray for pain relief.
<p>&nbsp;
<p>An attitude of love and compassion is very important.
<p>&nbsp;
<p>Jesus promised greater things than he did (John 14:12) Offer prayer to non-believers &#8211; this is seen as loving and caring. A loving community is healing in itself. Seek it.
<p><b></b>&nbsp;
<p><b>Problems</b>
<p><em>Some people are not changed</em> &#8211; fact. But we also have strong presuppositions that some things will not be touched and that needs challenging.
<p>&nbsp;
<p><em>The Kingdom has not yet fully come</em>. Jesus healed perfectly. We are imperfect. Faith varies from time to time. We may have faith in Jesus, but not for healing. We can pretend. Fear blocks healing. No illnesses are beyond healing but more serious ones test our ability to trust in Jesus more than less serious ones do.
<p>&nbsp;
<p><em>Sometimes the wrong thing is being prayed for, or there is unconfessed sin, or unbelief.</em> Here discernment and words of knowledge are helpful. It is wrong to blame anyone.
<p>&nbsp;
<p><em>New Testament often mentions suffering</em>. True, but usually in connection with persecution. If God&#8217;s will is to heal all, and he is sovereign, why is his purpose not fulfilled? See 2 Peter 3:9.
<p>&nbsp;
<p><em>Encouraged by Satan, we can give up too soon.</em> It is easy to assume it is not God&#8217;s will to heal when there is a delay. God&#8217;s timing or order of doing things is not necessarily the same as ours.</p>
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		<title>The Bucket List</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 15:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>No sermon notes this week because it was baptisms and therefore a simple outline.What would be on your bucket list?&#160; Mine are:</p> Visit India by train Be happy with what I have and am Be rich with God Leave a legacy Get into heaven <p>The awesome part of the series was the baptism of four [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No sermon notes this week because it was baptisms and therefore a simple outline.What would be on your bucket list?&nbsp; Mine are:</p>
<ol>
<li>Visit India by train
<li>Be happy with what I have and am
<li>Be rich with God
<li>Leave a legacy
<li>Get into heaven</li>
</ol>
<p>The awesome part of the series was the baptism of four very different people who have met Jesus in remarkable ways. But I also enjoyed the &#8220;Bucket List&#8221; video!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>Married Women and Worship</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 09:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p> <p>1 Corinthians 14 34-35 deals with an aspect of the participation of married women in worship. <p>These verses forcefully forbid women to speak in church. If they have questions they are to ask their husbands at home. They appear to directly contradict 1 Corinthians 11:5 where it is clear that women can and do [...]]]></description>
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<p><i>1 Corinthians 14 34-35 deals with an aspect of the participation of married women in worship. </i>
<p>These verses forcefully forbid women to speak in church. If they have questions they are to ask their husbands at home. They appear to directly contradict 1 Corinthians 11:5 where it is clear that women can and do pray and prophesy in church. A variety of explanations have appeared:
<ol>
<li>A traditional explanation has been that verses 34-35 are Paul’s standard teaching and that the material of chapter 11 must therefore refer to prayer meetings or some small group meeting rather than the worship service of the whole church.
<li>The most popular explanation has been that the women at Corinth were involved in disruptive behaviour. According to this view, the principle of submission (v34) is being lost to a sprit of defiance (v35) and arbitrators of their own church order and doctrine (v36). </p>
<p>The scenario supposes that the women sat together on one side of the room and the men were on the other. If women shouted questions to their husbands or defiant remarks such behaviour would cause a major disruption of the worship. Such an explanation is certainly possible but we do not know if women and men were seated separately in early Christian worship or not. They were in the Jewish synagogues, but first century Christians worshipped in homes rather than church buildings.
<li>Others suggest that the ‘speaking’ refers to nothing more than ‘chattering’; although Paul doesn’t use the word this way in other places. David Prior in his IVP commentary concludes that “these Christian wives had discovered a unique freedom in the life of the Christian community, and it is possible that this freedom had gone to their heads or, more precisely, to their tongues. This lack of self-discipline was causing confusion and disorder in the worship of the church”.
<li>Another recent explanation has been that verses 34-35 represent a quotation <i>from</i> the Corinthians. That would solve the problem of contradiction with chapter 11. It also explains the very unusual use of the Old Testament Law as a rule for New Testament Christians to obey in their practice of worship. Talbert argues that verses 34-35 represent the position of at least some at Corinth and that verse 36 is Paul’s “indignant reply.” However, the normal indicators of a quotation from the Corinthians are lacking in this passage.
<li>A significant number of commentators argue that these verses were added to 1 Corinthians sometime after Paul wrote the letter. Such an approach used to be labelled “liberal” but the recent massive commentary by the very evangelical scholar, Gordon Fee, takes this position. </li>
</ol>
<p>The number of explanations put forth for verses 34-35 shows two things. Firstly, it is very difficult to understand these verses. They seem contradict too much of what we know Paul thought about women. And, secondly, no single explanation has been sufficiently satisfactory to gain general agreement. </p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>We may never know with certainty the best way to explain why these verses appear in this place and what we are to make of them. In such cases, a spirit of grace and tolerance is better than one of dogmatic assertion.</p>
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		<title>Spiritual Gifts and Graces (4) – Spirit Led Worship</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 09:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p> Understanding worship 101 <p>What is worship? <p>&#160; –A common expression <p>&#160; –Worship (latreia) all the time (Romans 12.1-2) <p>&#160; –Worship (proskyneo) when the church gathers (John 4:20ff; Acts 2; 1 Cor 12 11; 14:26) <p>&#160; <p>What it isn’t! <p>–Audience <p>–Acting (Psalm 22:3) <p>But it is associating with heaven’s worship (Rev 4:1-7:17)! <p>&#160; Worship Involves [...]]]></description>
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<h3 align="left"><font color="#008000">Understanding worship 101</font></h3>
<p><strong>What is worship?</strong>
<p>&nbsp; –A common expression
<p>&nbsp; –Worship (latreia) all the time (Romans 12.1-2)
<p>&nbsp; –Worship (proskyneo) when the church gathers (John 4:20ff; Acts 2; 1 Cor 12 11; 14:26)
<p>&nbsp;
<p><strong>What it isn’t!</strong>
<p>–Audience
<p>–Acting (Psalm 22:3)
<p>But it is <strong>associating </strong>with heaven’s worship (Rev 4:1-7:17)!
<p>&nbsp;<br />
<h3><font color="#008000">Worship Involves everyone (v26-35; 39-40)</font></h3>
<p>Hymns and teaching and revelation and tongues and interpretation (v26-28)
<p>Weighing and then accepting instruction and encouragement (v29-31)
<p>Order and peace out of openness to the Spirit (v32-35) and respect for gifting (v36-38)
<p>&nbsp;
<p><i>1 Corinthians 14 34-35 deals with an aspect of the participation of married women in worship. </i>
<p>These verses forcefully forbid women to speak in church. If they have questions they are to ask their husbands at home. They appear to directly contradict 1 Corinthians 11:5 where it is clear that women can and do pray and prophesy in church. A variety of explanations have appeared:
<ol>
<li>A traditional explanation has been that verses 34-35 are Paul’s standard teaching and that the material of chapter 11 must therefore refer to prayer meetings or some small group meeting rather than the worship service of the whole church.
<li>The most popular explanation has been that the women at Corinth were involved in disruptive behaviour. According to this view, the principle of submission (v34) is being lost to a sprit of defiance (v35) and arbitrators of their own church order and doctrine (v36). </p>
<p>The scenario supposes that the women sat together on one side of the room and the men were on the other. If women shouted questions to their husbands or defiant remarks such behaviour would cause a major disruption of the worship. Such an explanation is certainly possible but we do not know if women and men were seated separately in early Christian worship or not. They were in the Jewish synagogues, but first century Christians worshipped in homes rather than church buildings.
<li>Others suggest that the ‘speaking’ refers to nothing more than ‘chattering’; although Paul doesn’t use the word this way in other places. David Prior in his IVP commentary concludes that “these Christian wives had discovered a unique freedom in the life of the Christian community, and it is possible that this freedom had gone to their heads or, more precisely, to their tongues. This lack of self-discipline was causing confusion and disorder in the worship of the church”.
<li>Another recent explanation has been that verses 34-35 represent a quotation <i>from</i> the Corinthians. That would solve the problem of contradiction with chapter 11. It also explains the very unusual use of the Old Testament Law as a rule for New Testament Christians to obey in their practice of worship. Talbert argues that verses 34-35 represent the position of at least some at Corinth and that verse 36 is Paul’s “indignant reply.” However, the normal indicators of a quotation from the Corinthians are lacking in this passage.
<li>A significant number of commentators argue that these verses were added to 1 Corinthians sometime after Paul wrote the letter. Such an approach used to be labelled “liberal” but the recent massive commentary by the very evangelical scholar, Gordon Fee, takes this position. </li>
</ol>
<p>The number of explanations put forth for verses 34-35 shows two things. Firstly, it is very difficult to understand these verses. They seem contradict too much of what we know Paul thought about women. And, secondly, no single explanation has been sufficiently satisfactory to gain general agreement. </p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>We may never know with certainty the best way to explain why these verses appear in this place and what we are to make of them. In such cases, a spirit of grace and tolerance is better than one of dogmatic assertion.</p>
<p>&nbsp;<br />
<h3><font color="#008000">Worship – You, me and God</font></h3>
<p>•The body will mature as we desire and use the greater gifts (v12:31; 14:39)
<p>•The body will mature as each of us engages 100% in worship (v12:31)
<p>&nbsp;<br />
<h3><font color="#008000">Cell Outline</font></h3>
<ol>
<li>When you come together [as a cell group], <b><i>everyone</i></b> has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church”. How could you do that well in your group? What needs to change? Try and start today, by having a time of additional worship based on this principle.</li>
<li>How would someone today know that God is present at a service at GBC (v25)? How would you summarise in a brief prayer what you would like God to do for your church in this area?</li>
<li>What is the central advice given on worship in verses 26 to 40?</li>
<li>Explain what the statement (verse 33), “God is not a God of disorder, but of peace,” means to you in the context of the way you worship at GBC.</li>
<li>What application does verse 40 have for our worship at GBC?</li>
</ol>
<p><b>Going deeper</b>
<ol>
<li>What do you think Paul had in mind in the instructions for a woman to not speak in church in verses 34-35? How does 1 Corinthians 11:2-16 influence your understanding of verses 34-35?</li>
<li>What are verses 37-38 about? Is it fair? Is it right? Would a similar strategy by a pastor towards prophets in our time be appropriate? Why? or why not?</li>
</ol>
<p><b>Witness</b>
<p>How can you use the witness of others in baptism this coming Sunday (17<sup>th</sup> May) to share about Jesus to those you know? Could you ask someone to come with you to experience this powerful event?</p>
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		<title>John Bunyan on Prayer and Church</title>
		<link>http://behindthewillowtrees.org.uk/liminality/john-bunyan-on-prayer-and-church/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ <p>I’m rather challenged at present by what Bunyan had to say about church.&#160; Bunyan spent about a third of his life in prison for his faith.&#160; Writing from prison in 1662, he says of prayer and worship:</p> <p>There is no subject of more solemn importance to human happiness than prayer.&#160; It is the only [...]]]></description>
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<p>I’m rather challenged at present by what Bunyan had to say about church.&nbsp; Bunyan spent about a third of his life in prison for his faith.&nbsp; Writing from prison in 1662, he says of prayer and worship:</p>
<blockquote><p>There is no subject of more solemn importance to human happiness than prayer.&nbsp; It is the only medium of intercourse with heaven.&nbsp; It is that language wherein a creature holds correspondence with his Creator; and wherein the soul of a saint gets near to God, is entertained with great delight, and, as it were, dwells with his heavenly Father.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>God, when manifest in the flesh, hath given us a solemn, sweeping declaration, embracing all prayer — private, social, and public — at all times and seasons, from the creation to the final consummation of all things — “God is a Spirit, and they that worship him MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH” (John 4:24).</p>
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<p>And later he says that there is no man nor church in the world that can come to God in worship, but by the assistance of the Holy Spirit. “Without the Spirit, [even if] we had a thousand Common Prayer Books, we do not know how we should pray &#8230; One word spoken in faith, is better than a thousand prayers, as men call them, written and read, in a formal, cold, lukewarm way. ”&nbsp; Or he puts it, “When you pray, rather let your heart be without words that your words without heart”.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Worship, he argues, is meaningless if the worshipper knows nothing of the dynamic inner work of the Spirit. Christians will always be non-conformists because they will always be open to the Spirit and the breaking in of the kingdom of God. </p>
<blockquote><p>God’s people are, as it hath always been, looked upon to be a turbulent, seditious, and factious people (Ezra 4:12-16).</p>
</blockquote>
<p>“A turbulent, seditious, and factious people”.&nbsp; Love it!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a title="John Bunyan on Prayer: PeaceMakers, Christ's Peace, Church Discipline" href="http://www.peacemakers.net/johnbunyan/prayer.htm">John Bunyan on Prayer: Peace Makers, Christ&#8217;s Peace, Church Discipline</a></p>
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		<title>All-age service</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>It’s a well know fact that all-age services take me right outside my comfort zone.&#160; I led one of Easter Sunday morning which even included communion, and it seems to have been fairly well appreciated. Leave aside the extra work and thought beforehand, which I estimate at about 10 times that of a normal service, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s a well know fact that all-age services take me right outside my comfort zone.&#160; I led one of Easter Sunday morning which even included communion, and it seems to have been fairly well appreciated. Leave aside the extra work and thought beforehand, which I estimate at about 10 times that of a normal service, and maybe, just maybe it is possible that the whole church family can worship meaningfully together.</p>
<p><a title="http://rachelstorey.blogspot.com/2009/04/sunday-servcie.html" href="http://rachelstorey.blogspot.com/2009/04/sunday-servcie.html">Rachel thought it was awesome!</a> She says “The creative metaphoric visuals that were used in the service and how so many age groups involved.”&#160; Not actually a sentence but a great sentiment.</p>
<p>My Sarah, who knows about these things, said that I should:</p>
<ul>
<li>keep it short!!! 45-55mins I think is definitely enough! </li>
<li>do something with food. Talk to whoever is normally in charge of this and come up with Easter treat- is worth spending money on especially if you&#8217;re going to have visitors- it looks good to them! <em>We did Hot Cross Buns!</em> </li>
<li>Think about what&#8217;s happening on Good Friday- do you want to link it/ carry something on.&#160; <em>We did a great collective reading to start which got everyone in the post-Good Friday but not-yet Easter Sunday mood.</em> </li>
<li>Have something they can make- when they come in.&#160; <em>We made a giant paper chain which we then tore up at the end when se sang “My chains fell off”.</em> </li>
<li>When thinking about prayer think CREATIVE eg ACTIVE eg KINESTHETIC eg GOOD FOR BOYS.&#160; <em>We got stones and people wrote or drew on them their name and those they were praying for.&#160; Then at the end we made a prayer cairn.</em> </li>
<li>When thinking about talk/input/ think SHORT and VISUAL and INTERACTIVE<em>.&#160; Our teenagers did six tiny sketches and I spoke very briefly between each one.</em> </li>
<li>Don&#8217;t fill with too many things- you don&#8217;t need a drama, and a dance, and a PowerPoint video, and a talk etc. <em>We did a drama/talk, plus the chains and the stones and communion and the youth band and the children&#8217;s band. Opps too much.</em> </li>
</ul>
<p>(Quietly)   <br />What a mess!    <br />What a mess!    <br />After a day of horror,    <br />and blasphemy, and death, now this:    <br />a tomb that&#8217;s empty.</p>
<p>(Sadly)   <br />We lost you on Friday,    <br />and now we&#8217;ve lost you again.    <br />We could eventually cope with death,    <br />but empty tombs?    <br />We&#8217;ve lost you once more.</p>
<p>There is no rejoicing here, just confusion.</p>
<p>Confusion after the trials, and the long dying, and confusion now:   <br />no body,    <br />no grave to go to,    <br />no place to weep.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve lost a friend,   <br />and we don&#8217;t know where he is.</p>
<p>He died on Friday,   <br />and now?</p>
<p>(Slowly)   <br />Well, now there is not even that,    <br />not even a death,    <br />just a vacant,    <br />empty,    <br />hollow tomb.</p>
<p>And that leaves us…??</p>
<p>(Resolutely!)   <br />Well, that leaves us in fear.    <br />Dare we believe the rumours?    <br />Dare we be the first to trust    <br />what no one has ever dared to trust    <br />before?</p>
<p>(Resolutely!)   <br />Dare we believe his predictions    <br />that love returns?</p>
<p>(Building up)   <br />&#8216;Only by seeing his hands,&#8217; says Thomas.    <br />&#8216;Only by holding him,&#8217; says his mother.    <br />&#8216;Only by feeding his lambs’ says Peter.</p>
<p>&#8216;Only by eating with him,&#8217;   <br />say his disciples.    <br />&#8216;Only by anointing his feet,&#8217;    <br />says Mary of Bethany.    <br />&#8216;Only by calling him Lord,&#8217; says Mary of Magdala.</p>
<p>(Astonished)   <br />But who is that?    <br />eating with us in the room?    <br />going ahead to Galilee?    <br />Walking on the road,    <br />sitting?    <br />cooking on the beach?    <br />Standing?    <br />waiting in the garden?</p>
<p>My Lord, and my God.</p>
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		<title>A bit more on The Shack</title>
		<link>http://behindthewillowtrees.org.uk/what-ive-read-recently/the-shack/a-bit-more-on-the-shack/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In my previous post about The Shack, I mentioned that Young is on solid if unfamiliar ground here when writes, &#8220;Papa speaks: ‘Mackenzie, we have no concept of final authority among us, only unity. We are in a circle of relationship, not a chain of command or ‘great chain of being’ as your ancestors termed [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my <a href="http://www.behindthewillowtrees.org.uk/search/label/The%20Shack">previous post about The Shack,</a> I mentioned that  Young is on solid if unfamiliar ground here when writes, &#8220;Papa speaks: ‘Mackenzie, we have no concept of final authority among us, only unity. We are in a circle of relationship, not a chain of command or ‘great chain of being’ as your ancestors termed it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I recently came across a post from <a href="http://maggidawn.typepad.com/">Maggi Dawn</a> which draws on this important worship principle from the Trinity being in a circle of relationship.  She cautions that &#8220;it&#8217;s a mistake to move too quickly from [this model of] Trinity to a model for church. Stop and savour for a bit first.&#8221; Dawn very helpfully continues:<br />
<blockquote>The old fashioned discussion of Trinity in terms of mathematical conundrums (three-in-one? how come?) is really not the point; the point is that God is intrinsically <span style="font-style:italic;">social and relational</span>. It doesn&#8217;t therefore present a problem to suggest that three really equals one, because the point of the discourse is to demonstrate that the Godhead is not static, but relational; there is movement &#8211; exchange and difference &#8211; within the Godhead.</p>
<p>This gives us something much more profound than a &#8216;model for church&#8217;. It gives us an image of God, and in response to it, a theology of worship, that enables us to understand ourselves as drawn into the embrace of God. If God is pictured as ONE &#8211; predominantly, for instance, in the image of God the father &#8211; then any meeting with God that you and I might attempt is like a stand-off, an encounter in which we may come as close as face-to-face, but in which the image reinforces our position as separate beings.</p>
<p>In the context of worship, this can produce some sense that we are performing for God. Think of the rhetoric of much of the worship of the 80&#8221;s and 90&#8242;s &#8211; how often you would hear people encourage us to &#8216;wait&#8217; for the presence of God; or how often a phrase was misappropriated from Psalm 22:3 (God is enthroned on the praises of his people) to suggest that <em>if</em> we worship, and <em>if </em>we worship in a good enough way, <em>then</em> God would reward us with his presence.</p>
<p>Of course, we didn&#8217;t really believe (did we?) that God was NOT present in the first place &#8211; God is everywhere, right? But the words we used did say fairly frequently that God would somehow be <em>more</em> present if we worshipped properly. And what you say often enough you end up believing.</p>
<p>This is a what I mean by a stand-off view of God &#8211; the idea that we meet God in some kind of relationship combat, hoping that he might yield to our advances. Acts of worship conceived in this way suggest that we approach a flat, one-dimensional God in the hopes that we might get what we need from him&#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8230; At its worst, it makes a monster of God by separating the Trinity into rival, not cooperative, persons (a Father who must be stroked and cajoled into being present, a Son who must be sacrificed to appease him, a Spirit to help us manipulate the Father into gracing us with his presence.) Yet even at its best, it still leaves us with a view of ourselves as ultimately separated from God, only intermittently being drawn into God&#8217;s presence.</p>
<p>But conceiving of the Trinity as a relational being offers quite an alternative understanding of worship. A social trinity gives us a picture of worship that is already taking place within the Godhead. The Father, the Son and the Spirit have, from time immemorial, been in mutual companionship, joy, worship and adoration of one another. Their creative activity was an act of mutuality.</p>
<p>Read the Bible slowly and carefully and you&#8217;ll see that &#8216;the Word&#8217; (later called Jesus Christ) and the Spirit were actively involved in conceiving and delivering the creative activity behind what we understand as the genesis of our existence.</p>
<p>Jesus was never &#8220;plan B&#8221; when it all went wrong; no &#8211; the second persona of the Trinity was always completely present in the creation and sustenance of the world (See, for instance, Colossians chapter 1 for Paul&#8217;s version). If a relational understanding of the Trinity is the context of our coming to worship, there is no longer a need to please or impress God in order for him to bless us with his presence.</p>
<p>We do not need<a href="http://hollidaysjohn.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/trinlg.gif"><img src="http://hollidaysjohn.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/trinlg.gif?w=240" alt="" border="0" /></a> to create, as it were, a good enough party to wake God up and make him think he might join us. It&#8217;s quite the other way around. The Trinity are already having a party of their own. There they are, communicating, loving, worshipping, laughing, dancing, always and forever, without a break. Grace, love and adoration flows constantly between the Godhead. And, if you look again at Rublev&#8217;s icon, you&#8217;ll see that there is a fourth, empty place at the table &#8211; an implicit invitation. Come and join us?</p>
<p>The call to worship is therefore an invitation to join in with God&#8217;s party. Worship is already underway &#8211; come and join in if you like. No need to DO anything &#8211; if you want to dance you can, but if you want to sit for a while and let it all wash over you and through you, you can do that too.</p>
<p>Of course, at some point you will get drawn into the giving, communicating, adoring, loving activity &#8211; but there&#8217;s no pressure, because God doesn&#8217;t need your little mite of energy to drive the worship machine. But if you sit long enough in the presence of God, you&#8217;ll stop being a wallflower and find that the dance is irresistible. This is a theology of worship that allows us to rest in God, that acknowledges that we are wanted, needed, invited in the right sense &#8211; but that the impetus, the initiative, is always God&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Welcome to Trinitarian worship &#8211; the party where God is, and always was, and always will be, engaged in mutual adoration and praise, and where you can be drawn right into the centre of God until you can hardly spot the join. In the words of the old hymn writer, &#8216;How can I keep from singing?&#8217;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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